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Battlefield 4 on PS4 comparable to “Medium” settings on PC, like “night & day” difference to current-gen version

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While we might know a few more details on how the PS4 version of Battlefield 4 will work using the DualShock 4, we sadly still don’t know what the exact resolution the final game will be once it hits next-gen consoles later this year.

However, what we do have now is a good comparison point. YouTube video producer Jackfrags was fortunate enough to get some hands-on time with the PS4 version of BF4 at gamescom and he has some rather good news to share.

First off, he revealed that what he played was 16 players, infantry only, no vehicles on the Domination game mode. He mentions that 60fps (frames-per-second) was a “massive” difference compared to current-gen versions; to the point that if you’ve yet to play BF3 on PCs, the contrast is like “night & day.”

Additionally,Jackfrags states that PS3 to PS4 graphics when it comes to Battlefield is “world’s apart and if he had to make a comparison, it would be “Medium” settings on PCs.

In regards to resolution, he mentions that you “can tell” that it wasn’t running in 1080p, but was supposed to be higher than 720p. To date, DICE has yet to speak out on what resolution BF4 will be on next-gen consoles; although he does share that “lighting and texture” on the PS4 looked “great.”

If you want to hear it for yourself, go check the video out at the 10:50 mark.

Lastly, ‘frags also verified what we reported on yesterday — that the DualShock 4′s Sixaxis will be used for leaning and peeking.

I don’t know about you, but if a $400 console can run Battlefield on “Medium” settings at 60fps AND with 64 players, I consider that good enough. Keep in mind you’re not spending $2,000 or even $1,000 like you would on a PC.

If the next-gen versions of BF4 does run comparable to Medium settings on PC. would you be fine with that or is that a disappointment considering it’s next-gen? Sound off and let us know.

  • D2ultima

    It’s probably doing a 900p (1600 x 900) and upscaling to 1080p; a-la Xbox 360′s 660p upscale to 720p. Xbox 1 is probably doing the same thing; their hardware likely can’t handle 1080p 60fps with all those games.

  • KillzoneVII

    Is definitely Disappointing to hear Next Gen consoles won’t really be “Next Gen” per say, however I haven’t played BF3 on pc and definitely can’t wait to see it run at 60fps being that I played it on 360 this gen. Still pretty good I guess since I get medium settings with 60fps and 64p for $500 (buying the Xbone) instead of double, possibly triple that for ultra settings.

    • Nexus

      It’s not next-gen console’s problem. The reason of this problem is Xbox One and its weak hardware. Normally, PS4 have similar GPU with AMD HD 7870 and Xbox One have AMD HD 7770. 7870 GPU is sufficent to play 1080p/60FPS gaming. But,i think that in order to provide equivalence between Xbox One and PS4, devs decided to utilise PS4 features as attenuated.

      Please carefully check these link and see the differences between 7870(PS4) and 7770(Xbox One)

      http://imageshack.us/a/img23/1655/xae.png
      http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7965/qrj7.png

      • TREY

        WRONG WRONG AND MORE WRONG!!! Please! i can not stress this enough PLEASE!!! read this.

        PS4 Specs
        8 core AMD JAGUAR CPU @ 1.8ghz possibly higher
        API OpenGL 4.4 or 4.5
        GPU contains a unified array of 18 compute units, which collectively generate 1.84 Teraflops of processing power
        8 Gigs of GDDR5 (UMA) ram

        AMD Radeon HD 7790 GPU OC Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
        1000MHz Engine Clock
        1GB GDDR5 Memory
        1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)
        96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
        1.86 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
        GCN Architecture
        14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)
        56 Texture Units
        64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
        16 Color ROP Units
        128-bit memory interface
        PCI Express 3.0 16x
        DirectX® 11.1-capable graphics (note these two could be changed if the GPU was “custom made”)
        OpenGL 4.2 support

        XBOX ONE Specs
        8 Core AMD custom CPU @ 1.6ghz possibly higher
        API DirectX 11.2
        8 Gigs of (UMA) ram possibly more
        GPU contains a unified array of 10 compute units, which collectively generate 1.28 Teraflops of processing power

        AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
        1000MHz Engine Clock
        Up to 2GB GDDR5 Memory
        1125MHz Memory Clock (4.5 Gbps GDDR5)
        72GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
        1.28 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
        GCN Architecture
        10 Compute Units (640 Stream Processors)
        40 Texture Units
        64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
        16 Color ROP Units
        128-bit memory interface
        PCI Express 3.0 x16

        Truth is :-/ it is not equal to a radeon HD 7850 You have been lied to.

        AMD Accelerated Processing Unit

        Jaguar architecture (Kabini and Temash)

        In January 2013 the Jaguar-based Kabini and Temash APUs were unveiled as
        the successors of the Bobcat-based Ontario, Zacate and Hondo APUs.
        The Kabini APU is aimed at the low-power, subnotebook, netbook,
        ultra-thin and small form factor markets, the Temash APU is aimed at the
        tablet, ultra-low power and small form factor markets

        It is a TABLET/MOBILE CPU it can not compare to a I7 3770K or a I5
        3570K hell it can’t even compare to the cheap $120 AMD FX-4300 the
        Jaguar architecture is equal on the desktop side to a AMD A4-5300
        Trinity APU the Jaguar architecture is a supped up Trinity core
        thus meaning it is a crappy CPU.

        Also it is not equal to even a radeon HD 7870 the PS4 has 1.84 tflops read this about the 7870.

        AMD Radeon™ HD 7870 GHz Edition
        1000MHz Engine Clock
        2GB GDDR5 Memory
        1200MHz Memory Clock (4.8 Gbps GDDR5)
        153.6GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
        2.56 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
        GCN Architecture

        20 Compute Units (1280 Stream Processors)
        80 Texture Units

        If it’s equal to a 7870 then how come the 7870 has higher teraflops then the PS4??? exactly its not equal to a 7870 its equal to a radeon hd 7790 over clocked edition.

  • Pete Naylor

    I think I agree with the last point – were I to be playing on a PS4, I’d rather the game ran smoothly rather than having the highest level of graphical quality and suffered as a result.

    My personal wonder is, if Battlefield 4 will only run on an equivalent of medium quality on the PS4, what setting will my computer be able to run on? (for the record, my current gaming benchmark is high on Company of Heroes 2)
    Will it be that this “medium” setting will be like many other games’ ultra high, and thus the Low setting will still be a very good graphical benchmark, or will it be the case that Battlefield 4 will in reality be a very demanding game on hardware? If it’s the latter, that will prove the PS4 to actually be a very well thought out and well priced package, able to punch its weight with more expensive PCs. If it’s the former, then it’s just a statement of how great Battlefield 4 is looking. Call me an optimist, but I highly doubt that the PS4 will lack in capability compared to PCs.

    • http://pixelenemy.com Alex Co

      +1 This. Same. I’d rather we have 60fps and have a fluid game than graphics coming out our ears to compromise gameplay.

      Based on what we know so far, BF4 on PS4 will NOT disappoint. Unless you have a very good and expensive rig that can handle BF3 at Ultra, I doubt it will.

    • Dakan45

      Well BF3 runs on low on consoles, crysis 3 and metro last light even on lowest settings look better than the console version, that should give you an idea as to what perfomance they are aiming for, the perfomance equivilant of a AMD APU. Which sounds about right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wesley-Fick/184346154999538 Wesley Fick

      Company of Heroes is very CPU-limited and rather taxing on the GPU. If you can run it on high settings and 1080p, you’ll be good to go for BF4.

  • http://pixelenemy.com/ Williams Pelegrin

    Generally-speaking, we also have to keep in mind that there is no doubt that visuals will improve for titles on the PS4 and Xbox One. Just because a game doesn’t look that improved on both consoles doesn’t mean visuals will stay that way for the console’s lifecycle. Visuals, with everything else that composes a game, will improve the more developers get comfortable with the hardware.

    • http://pixelenemy.com Alex Co

      Exactly!! It’s not like we’re going to have these visuals for the rest of next-gen’s existence.

  • Roger Larsson

    I do not think BF4 is even targeting having sharp graphics.
    If it was it should not ADD depth of field and motion blur…

    I think DICE target is looking like an action film. Result will be blurry by design!
    blurry is the new blue :) [well the blurry approach is there in BF3 too]

    First question: does it look real – why? / why not?

  • Thomas

    Relax everybody!!! DICE are some of best devs around, they still have a few months to optimise the game for PS4, and it will look STELLAR on PS4 when it is in the final production build, that always happens in game development. Of course it is not going to compete with a $2000 PC, remember you are spending $400 on the PS4 and it will still look breathtakingly good at 60 fps with 64 players.

    • anon

      not going to be 64 players on consoles…

      • BiddlyBongBong

        Yes it is…

        • RockandGrohl

          May be, but DICE have confirmed that on PC you can push the player count higher than the console on certain game modes. 64 is the limit for all platforms, but on some game modes the X1 and PS4 can reach 24 for example, but PC can hit 32 or above. Just an example.

    • virtualmatrix258

      PS4 can’t even compete with a $700 PC. They’re shit, consoles suck.

      • Dan

        vitualmatrix258, the PS4 costs $400 you retard (which less than $700).

        Both the PS4 and Xbox1 are made from AMD parts which Sony and Microsoft purchase at a huge discount because they are buying in bulk. Sony has architected their parts into a supercharged PC layout and given the PS4 the latest cutting edge DDR5 RAM.

        Experts already say that you need to spend around $1000 to buy a new PC that will match the performance of the PS4, so that makes the $400 PS4 (including a fantastic Dualshock4 controller) the bargain of the decade in comparison to a PC.

        • Rockandgrohl

          Shows that you are a fucking clueness nonce that just chinese-whispers the latest gabble from like-minded spack-heads. DDR5 RAM? Doesn’t exist yet. “supercharged PC layout?” How exactly does giving the CPU extremely high latency help it again?

        • wot

          “Experts” You mean some guy on a youtube video?

        • TREY

          These “experts” don’t know there ass from a hole in the ground read this dumb ass.

          PS4 Specs
          8 core AMD JAGUAR CPU @ 1.8ghz possibly higher
          API OpenGL 4.4 or 4.5
          GPU contains a unified array of 18 compute units, which collectively generate 1.84 Teraflops of processing power
          8 Gigs of GDDR5 (UMA) ram

          AMD Radeon HD 7790 GPU (Graphics Processing Unit)
          1000MHz Engine Clock
          1GB GDDR5 Memory
          1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)
          96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
          1.79 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
          GCN Architecture
          14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)
          56 Texture Units
          64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
          16 Color ROP Units
          128-bit memory interface
          PCI Express 3.0 16x
          DirectX® 11.1-capable graphics (note these two could be changed if the GPU was “custom made”)
          OpenGL 4.2 support

          XBOX ONE Specs
          8 Core AMD custom CPU @ 1.6ghz possibly higher
          API DirectX 11.2
          8 Gigs of (UMA) ram possibly more
          GPU contains a unified array of 10 compute units, which collectively generate 1.28 Teraflops of processing power

          AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
          1000MHz Engine Clock
          Up to 2GB GDDR5 Memory
          1125MHz Memory Clock (4.5 Gbps GDDR5)
          72GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
          1.28 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
          GCN Architecture
          10 Compute Units (640 Stream Processors)
          40 Texture Units
          64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
          16 Color ROP Units
          128-bit memory interface
          PCI Express 3.0 x16

          Truth is :-/ these consoles are crap also read this dumb ass.

          AMD Accelerated Processing Unit

          Jaguar architecture (Kabini and Temash)

          In January 2013 the Jaguar-based Kabini and Temash APUs were unveiled as
          the successors of the Bobcat-based Ontario, Zacate and Hondo APUs.
          The Kabini APU is aimed at the low-power, subnotebook, netbook,
          ultra-thin and small form factor markets, the Temash APU is aimed at the
          tablet, ultra-low power and small form factor markets

          It is a TABLET/MOBILE CPU it can not compare to a I7 3770K or a I5 3570K hell it can’t even compare to the cheap $120 AMD FX-4300 the Jaguar architecture is equal on the desktop side to a AMD A4-5300 Trinity APU the Jaguar architecture is a supped up Trinity core
          thus meaning it is a crappy CPU.

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          Subtotal: $595.04

          Beats the PS4 any day :) faster & performs better! :)

      • Mini

        nah that a bit harsh dude. Stop hating.

  • Joao611

    So… 720p (or a bit better), MEDIUM, 60FPS. At least until the release of the PS4, I bet I can show a rig within the PS4′s price which does that or more! :)

    • Thomas

      JEEZ, wait until the final PS4 build before making judgements, DICE are genius and it will look amazing on PS4 come release. Remember the PS4 has a super-optimised PC architecture without the horrible Windows OS and associated memory sucking bloatware that you get on PCs. I used to be PC gamer, but hated all the constant driver updates, hardware updates, Windows crap, etc… swapped to console gaming, never looked back and have had much more fun. I will have much more fun with my PS4 when I get it in November.

      • Thomas

        Also I’d like to see any 7 year old PC match the graphics that the “The Last of Us” has on the 7 year old PS3 hardware. Once devs fully understand the hardware of console, they can optimise it far further than any PC. Wait until Naughty Dog get their hands on a PS4, they will produce the best exclusive games on PS4 with graphics that will match high end PCs.

        • http://pixelenemy.com Alex Co

          Agree with this. If the PS4 can handle “Medium” BF3 specs at launch, imagine what it will look like after a few years.

          Naughty Dog will once again push the PS4 like they did with the PS3…just thinking about it excites me.

        • Dakan45

          The last of us looks lmediocre, i 7 year old pc can max and suprass the last of us, proof? CRYSIS in 2007.

          Also naughty dog engine is made for ps3 exlusively, an architecture that has NOTHING to do with pc architecture which is what the ps4 has, so naughty dog needs to rebuild the engine.

          “PS4 with graphics that will match high end PCs.”

          DREAM ON

          That didnt happen on ps2 era, didnt happen on ps3 era, wont happen now.

          • Dan22

            You are talking rubbish, I used to have a 7 to 8 year old mid-range gaming PC and I know the graphics were not even close to what was achieved with “The Last of Us”. They absolutely maxed out the PS3 with that game.

          • Dakan45

            Lets hear it, waht was you midrange pc and what games you were talking about?

            The last of us has blurry textures every pc game the last 2 yeasr has far better. Also the lighting is pathetic.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/no6969el Noel Barcellos

            The bottom line is most PC gamers know exactly what the consoles lack because you realize this once you gain something better, most console gamers know not what they are missing since they obviously have not experienced it since that is what keeps us PC gamers. Whenever someone likes something because it can do “more” and “better”, the people who do not have those things are and will always be defending it. Instead of just admitting that consoles are for people who just want to play games, NOT claim their system is better or runs games better etc. So therefore console gamers need to just shut up and realize they only know about playing games and a “set” experience rate and nothing else.., if you want to argue about how much you enjoyed a game or not.. yea.. but NOT about specs WHEN YOU LET YOUR CUSTOMIZATION GO TO A MANUFACTURER and WE CHOOSE OUR PERFORMANCE!

            Good luck playing in VR (Virtual Reality).. on PC i’m doing that right now..with my Oculus Rift.. (PC is so far ahead and not limited)

          • Dakan45

            yeah you got the average joe buying a console and playing games.

            Thats fine

            Then you got the console fanboy going on and on and on about his missonceptions on pc gaming such as being expensive, not having games, being dead, etc etc and pulling stupid numbers ouf of nohwere.

            99% of console gamers dont know this but bf3 on consoles was running on low pc settings and there are worse examples like metro last light or crysis 3 being under the lowest possible settings on consoles.

            I am not making this up, but the clueless ignorant console fanboys will go on and on about their console like the i phone fanboys, not having any idea what their consoles do or how the work and thinking its all “consolez optimizationz” and “powar of da core” hype crap.

            Eg like cloud.

            If they only wnat to play games thats fine, but they should throw ingorant missconceptions based on the only experiance they ever had.

          • StationHollow

            Of course games are on low settings compared to PC at the moment. They are being played on hardware that is 7-8 years old. Your PC from that long ago wouldn’t even meet the minimum specs for the same games.

          • Dakan45

            Actually the reason for that is that even in the lowest settings crysis 3 and metro last light look better than the console version.

          • TREY

            ok here you go 7 year old hardware from ps3 & 360 release date!

            7 YEAR OLD HARDWARE :D!! HAVE A SEAT BRO :)

          • TREY

            7 YEAR OLD HARDWARE :D!! HAVE A SEAT BRO :)

        • TREY

          You want to see a game that matches the last of us on 7 year old hardware? ok here you go.

          7 YEAR OLD HARDWARE :D!! HAVE A SEAT BRO :)

      • TREY

        Now I’m not dissing on you for liking the PS4 I think that is wonderful man :) and I respect you for sticking with 1 single company but please read this.

        AMD Accelerated Processing Unit

        Jaguar architecture (Kabini and Temash)

        In January 2013 the Jaguar-based Kabini and Temash APUs were unveiled as
        the successors of the Bobcat-based Ontario, Zacate and Hondo APUs.
        The Kabini APU is aimed at the low-power, subnotebook, netbook,
        ultra-thin and small form factor markets, the Temash APU is aimed at the
        tablet, ultra-low power and small form factor markets

        It is a TABLET/MOBILE CPU it can not compare to a I7 3770K or a I5 3570K
        hell it can’t even compare to the cheap $120 AMD FX-4300 the Jaguar
        architecture is equal on the desktop side to a AMD A4-5300 Trinity APU
        the Jaguar architecture is a supped up Trinity core
        thus meaning it is a crappy CPU so super optimized? I do not think so sir.

  • kreator

    XBO FTW!

  • THU31

    You do not have to spend 2000$ on a PC if you already have one. Upgrading it once every two years for 200-300$ is not a problem. You get what you pay for.

    If a launch game has to run on medium in sub-1080p, then imagine what will happen in a few years.

    • Matt

      Every 4-5 if you buy the best single GPU on the market at the time. CPU’s don’t require as much of an upgrade if you invest in something decent… those 6 and 8 core FX series will last for a while for gaming purposes and of course Intel has nothing to worry about.

      • Dakan45

        meh the best is going to waste, just buy the second best and you are good to go. The best will last you for so long that new DX will come out or cards with far more ram. So it doesnt worth it.

        Considering ps4 cpu is only 1.6ghz and even a powerfull quadcore is more powerfull cpu should be an issue next gen.

        • Matt

          The best gets you bragging rights :p

          But then again you can always lie!

          Do you play BF3?

          • Dakan45

            Lie? Thats a console thingy that Sony has been doing since ps2. Pc does not lie with “consolez optimization” and arguging that they can rival high end pcs by running games on low settings and the fools actually believe em.

            Pff consoletards.

          • M.Lawrence

            what good is that when you are bragging behind a PC monitor? No fun, son! People that are wise never spend over 400 dollars on a PC gpu

          • TREY

            Spending 500$ on a GPU is a wise decision due to the fact that 500$ GPU will pay for itself quickly look how long the 8800GTX has lasted… and it was 500$ at launch yet it’s still main stream minimum bro :) don’t be to harsh to judge spending extra money at the start really pays off in the long run.

    • traind

      BF4 is developed on pc then brought over to console. It is not done yet for the next gen consoles so there is no telling final resolution although it seems like medium settings may be the answer if they get 1080p. But most pcs will not run BF4 on ultra settings either. It will likely take a GPU that costs close to $500 (paired with high end cpu and ram etc) to run at high resolutions and ultra settings.

      So if you have a 3-4 year old pc like I do, you’ll likely need to cough up as much or more than it costs for a new console to get ultra at high resolutions. And the difference between ultra and medium isn’t night and day. It is noticeable but not a completely different experience. So for many, it isn’t worth the $ to go pc to play a small handful of games (that are optimized for pc and not console).

      Last, for those people coming from current consoles to next gen, the improvement will be large. Maybe not as large as spending $1500 on a pc but significant and easily noticeable.

      • js2k6

        the thing is, all games are developed on a PC.
        even console exclusive games.

        but i guess the real point is, if the ‘next gen’ of consoles is going to be comparable to a current mid range PC

        sure the ps4/xbone is cost effective if you’re starting off from scratch with regards to building a pc.

        but my issue with it, is that technical limitations on the console hardware will hold back pc game development for the next 5 years or so until the gen after next is released.

        if we didnt have the xbox 360 and the ps3 holding devs back in terms of what they could create,

        imagine what gaming could be today, instead of feeling like everything is just reheated leftovers.

        for arguments sake compare bf3 on highest settings to mirrors edge on highest settings (2-3 years between releases) and the graphics aren’t making much of an improvement. and why is that?

        we’re certainly not utilising our hardware to the full extent that it could be,
        making the game work on older hardware is the only logical reason.

        • traind

          This is true. But the new consoles will indeed push the game forward for PCs…but not for 5-8 years, as you say.

          • merkix

            Um, not at all. The new consoles aren’t quite as powerful as “mid-tier” consumer PCs, and are miles behind more high-end builds, even those that are under $1k. Games that are made with console releases in mind are not going to push anything forward on PC. Look at something like Arma III, the scale, or like the upcoming game (I hope it lives up) Star Citizen.

            That’s like saying the advances in comfort and noise reduction in the cabins of Ford Fiestas is going to push forward the advances of Ferrari’s Risi Competizione racing team.

            “…but not for 5-8 years”

            I don’t think you understand what’s going on at all. Are you saying that in 5 to 8 years, PC’s will be able to push the envelope because of the advances made by consoles? wth

          • traind

            I may not understand everything but I have been a gamer for a few decades, attended 4 E3s, talked to developers one on one etc. My point is the new consoles raise the bar that developers are targeting. This allows developers to then push the edge for the pc version much easier. Right now the performance gap is so big they have to do a lot of extra work to make the pc version something a high end pc will be challenged by– so they don’t do it. At the same time, the revenue target is the console. High end pc’s are a (relatively) limited audience for developers. A few go after that target aggressively but not many. So the new consoles are like a mid range 2013 pc and this will raise the bar for pc titles for the next few years because the overall quality of graphics, physics, scale etc will be going up in games.

            And, actually, the new consoles do have a few tricks up their sleeves. Not enough to challenge a titan equipped pc or anything similar but they will outperform the specs of a comparable pc with the same gpu. I have been reading comments from pc advocates that dismiss people like Carmack and Cerny when they describe how the custom nature of the consoles allow them to get significantly more from the design than a comparable pc. I am not saying you are making that argument but many are online. And it immediately eliminates credibility as anyone familiar with the industry know this has been the case for years. New GPU cards in pc’s generally rely on pure horsepower to drive performance. Consoles provide more options for performance by coding so close to the metal and have custom designs for bandwidth, memory allocation etc that speed them up.

            This is why people saying I can buy a new $200 graphic card and it will make my pc as good or better than the new consoles are wrong (unless they are going SLI and already have a new-ish card), I just upgraded my pc early this year but fully expect the new consoles to outperform (but not by a huge margin) my 4 year old gaming pc with a new $200 gpu.

          • M.Lawrence

            As a avid PC gamer..i must admit you explained it well on why Consoles with the same spec of a similar PC..consoles will outperform similar PC spec of that console because of the closed box nature of a console..dev’s are able to get MUCH more efficiency out of console hardware. The PS4′s AMD 7950 which is customized on top of that…is able to match and maybe even up a PC AMD 7970 ghz Edition…Yes i know my PC gear and i been there done that with consoles since the master system console and Amiga 500/C64 days…i am in my 30′s and i know my shit…these next gen consoles will raise the bar in many upcoming games and PC’s will also greatly benefit for it.

            Lets be honest people…PC gaming was awesome back in the late 90′s and early 2000′s but if we are being honest..there is way more AAA exclusives just on consoles than there is AAA PC exclusives….i am no fanboy but i would be lying to say these next gen consoles wont be raising the bar with visuals!!

          • M.Lawrence

            I meant to say the PS4′s 7850 custom gpu

          • GEORGES

            Last time I checked most console games were 1000000 times better than their PC counterparts. Unless you’re an FPS nerd.

          • Bob

            lets look at crysis 3 then shall we? Or battlefield 3? or Max Payne 3? Or GTA IV with mods?…

          • Georges

            I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 90s. NOTICE HOW I USED “WERE” AND NOT “ARE”.

            But of course most PC elitists are too young to have lived the 90s.

          • Bob

            Sorry bro, you may have been in the game for a long time and “know [your] shit” but the PS4 GPU cannot match a 7970. Just by the fact that it doesn’t have the cooling capability alone to match a graphics card like that. On top of that you mention AAA console games not on PC. The fact is PC has had and will always have more games than consoles. PC has complete GENRES that don’t even come to the console! Just open up steam one day and browse the hundreds of titles that are NOT on console.

          • Bob

            hahaha. yup 900p, raising the bar.

          • Richard

            Hey there! I am from the future and apparently you don’t know your shit. Lol. Ps4 is nice but no where near the 7970….900p!

      • merkix

        $500? BF isn’t Crysis 3 with overkill anti-aliasing. Try higher-end 500 series Nvidia cards for less $150 – $200. Hell, even my old 470 ran BF3 at all the highest settings save for some AA and mesh settings of which, when reduced slightly, produce practically no notable, visible difference. $70 CPU and $40 worth of RAM or less.

        The difference is night and day when high settings are combined with actual resolution – not up-scaling. That, and the frame rate remains high at those resolutions and settings, and you’ve also got particle physics, etc., a vast amount of players in multiplayer games, and expansive, detailed open worlds. There’s no sacrificing a bunch of those to maybe get one or twoe other and making compromises between all those things on a decent, cost-effective PC build; you get all of them.. and a small handful of games that are optimized for PC? What about the immense amount of games that don’t release on console? Games aren’t “optimized for PC,” they’re optimized for consoles. Ambitious features aren’t omitted from games because their release on PC wouldn’t be possible with them; it’s the other way around. There’s no console game that suffered in scope because of the computer’s lack of power and inability to perform.

        There is no “small handful of games that are optimized for PC.” Games don’t have to be fiddled with and reduced in fidelity because the PC’s can’t handle it. What exists is a lot of potentially great games that are released for all three major platforms, that were -potentially- limited in many ways by the shortcomings of consoles.

        Not as if that was too much of a bad thing since we’ve now got the “next gen” consoles coming out, except that they’re not next gen at all in terms of power. Cost-practical, consumer hardware couldn’t compete with the last generation’s consoles at first, but it goes the opposite this time around. Our xbox 360′s and PS3′s were the power horses the moment they launched. Now, the consoles are launching and they aren’t very near any throne or crown in most, if not all aspects (save for couch, splitscreen, user-friendly arguments).

        Your last point, those buying a $500 console at release, and undoubtedly another $120 worth of games (2), you could have a much more powerful gaming machine for $50 to $100 to N-dollars more. It’ll also do all those crazy things computers do like mod your games into brilliance and give you AAA title sales cooonstantly. I mean like $6 – $12 for recent, AAA titles. Those sales are quite frequent and practically non-existent on consoles so far. So, for, about $200 more, just to give a slightly above average estimate, you’re getting a huge jump in everything, including features like mods which, for many games, is like massive amounts of quality DLC.

        There’s a place for consoles, and they do their own things great. There will also be some great new, actually relevant features on these consoles this time around (unlike twitter implementation, Facebook beacon binging etc.), but comparing them to computers, these days, is like comparing handhelds to consoles, in a sense. They’re different platforms with different edges over one another.

        Control. I can change my FOV for god’s sake. That is amazing along with all the other controls I have over my games, including mods tweaking of controls.

        I think the PC is the most versatile and fulfilling choice overall especially with so many applications beyond gaming, but there are many things I can’t do that I’d have to go to consoles, handhelds, for etc.

      • Oliver

        Well it is also to be said that even cod ghost will be downgraded for next gen. I mean cod.. really? i thought it was one of the least demanding games

        • Andreas Sunde

          It won’t be downgraded for consoles, it will be upgraded for PC.

      • tim

        I saw Killzone:Shadowfall on PS4 at Gamescom in the flesh, the graphics look as good as any high end PC game. For the $400 price of the PS4, you are getting an absolute beast of a machine, far more powerful than any $400 PC.

        BF4 for the PS4 just needs to be optimised, and it will look amazing.

        The PC trolls hate because they know the PS4 is incredible value compared to $1000′s of dollars they have shelled out on upgrading their PC’s over the years to get their graphics up to High or Ultra settings.

        • Dakan45

          They look inferior actually.

          The pc trolls know for a fact that a 400 box cant give you 1000$ perfomance, WAKE THE FUCK UP and reallize it already.

        • TREY

          1 The PS4 runs OPEN GL API (Application Programming Interface) OPEN GL is itself require more hardware to run because it is more demanding then that of its counter part direct 3D.

          2 The playstation four has a Radeon HD 7790 inside of it how do I know this? read here.

          PS4 GPU Peak GPU Shader Throughput
          1.84 TeraFLOPS/s

          AMD Radeon HD 7790 Graphics OC Edition

          1000MHz Engine Clock

          1GB GDDR5 Memory

          1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)

          96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)

          1.87 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power

          GCN Architecture

          14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)

          See what I’m saying????? the Radeon HD 7790 is not high end you can not compare this to a GTX 660TI or a GTX 560TI PS4 is not a ” incredible value” as you claim is a low end PC system.

          3 Read this AMD Accelerated Processing Unit

          Jaguar architecture (Kabini and Temash)

          In January 2013 the Jaguar-based Kabini and Temash APUs were unveiled as
          the successors of the Bobcat-based Ontario, Zacate and Hondo APUs.
          The Kabini APU is aimed at the low-power, subnotebook, netbook,
          ultra-thin and small form factor markets, the Temash APU is aimed at the
          tablet, ultra-low power and small form factor markets

          It is a TABLET/MOBILE CPU it can not compare to a I7 3770K or a I5 3570k the Jaguar architecture is equal on the desktop side to a AMD A4-5300 Trinity APU the Jaguar architecture is a supped up Trinity core thus meaning it is a crappy CPU.

          4 I had a GeForce GTX 550 Ti since 2011 I upgraded from it but guess what! that 550TI still runs battle field 3 high settings 1080P and I payed 75$ for the video card :D!!! you sir do not know a thing about PC hardware.

      • TREY

        My PC specs

        CPU – Intel Core I7 2600K
        CPU COOLER – NZXT Havik 140MM Dual Fan
        Motherboard – Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3
        Graphics Card – PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
        Dedicated PPU (Physics processing unit) Asus Gtx 550 Ti Super Clocked Edition
        Memory – 8GIGS DDR3 GSkill 1333 CL 9
        SSD – OCZ VERTEX4 128GB
        HDD – 1TB Western Digital Cavier Green Intelli Powered
        Sound Card – Creative Xfi Titanium
        Surround System – Logitech Z906′s
        Power Supply – Thermal Take 750W Bronze Modular
        Case – Antec Three Hundred Illusion
        ASUS Black 27 inch 1ms
        Steering Wheel – Logitech G27
        JoyStick – Logitech Attack 3
        Mouse – Zalman FG1000/FPS GUN

        This PC is my pc its 2 to 3 years old & it will run battle field 4 at ultra settings 1080P my graphics card is a 200$ card not a 500$ you do not know your ass from a hole in thr ground go watch these videos please & educate yourself.

        • traind

          Awesome Trey! You already have a final copy of BF4… two months before release!! Glad you do so you can inform us exactly about framerates and detail settings even before any of the mainstream PC gaming sites have a chance to. Way to build your credibility here….

          If this will run everything in Ultra with a great framerate…. why are DICE always using very high end GPUs to demo BF4? I hope your set up does run it in Ultra… then the new consoles will be pretty close to Ultra as well. But I’ll believe it when I see it, not when you randomly guess it/dream it. And don’t bother linking random youtube videos with some unknown person rambling on and on as a proof source either. I may have exaggerated slightly with the $500 GPu needed for ultra but I stand by the fact that the average gaming pc will not run BF4 at maximum. Steam user data backs this up.

          Now, if only you were here so I could clean up your aggressive little language problem in person…

          • TREY

            Recommended Requirements

            OS: Windows 8 64-bit

            Processor: AMD Six-Core CPU, Intel Quad-Core CPU

            Memory: 8 GB

            Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 7870, Nvidia GeForce GTX 660

            Graphics Memory: 3 GB

            Hard Drive: 30 GB

            Recommended system requirements jack ass I own the TI version which is around 10 to 15% performance increase from the regular 660 recommended requirements generally are able to run everything maxed out at a stable frame rate! prove me wrong on that! Read my specifications again very carefully.

            CPU – Intel Core I7 2600K
            CPU COOLER – NZXT Havik 140MM Dual Fan
            Motherboard – Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3
            Graphics Card – PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
            Dedicated PPU (Physics processing unit) Asus Gtx 550 Ti Super Clocked Edition
            Memory – 8GIGS DDR3 GSkill 1333 CL 9
            SSD – OCZ VERTEX4 128GB
            HDD – 1TB Western Digital Cavier Green Intelli Powered
            Sound Card – Creative Xfi Titanium
            Surround System – Logitech Z906′s
            Power Supply – Thermal Take 750W Bronze Modular
            Case – Antec Three Hundred Illusion
            ASUS Black 27 inch 1ms

          • traind

            recommended requirements don’t translate to ultra settings in all titles. At the end of the day, your system proves my point… not even close to the average PC.

            Still wish you were here so I could clean up your foul mouth… :)

          • TREY

            Yes they do translate to ultra settings because the recommended system requirements are usually optimal :)! Prove me wrong show me 1 single game where the 660TI struggles on frame rate wise.

          • traind

            The game is not out yet… there is no way to tell. Here is a link with benchmarks across many cards for BF4 alpha version.

            http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-alpha-gpu-and-cpu-benchmarks/

            As they say in the link, the game wasn’t optimized yet (a plus for final framerates but final textures were not in either– a negative for frames on the final) Still, that is the best data available so far as to what it will take to run BF4 on ultra with all the bells and whistles. When the game releases we’ll see how accurate the alpha tests were.

          • TREY

            I’ll show you :) soon with the beta boy.

          • traind

            Your rig will play it fine. Perhaps not Ultra with everything set to max but I am sure it will look very, very good regardless

          • TREY

            It will run ultra settings :-/ with AA & AF? no but then again at 1080P you don’t get jaggies so there is no reason for AA & AF at 1080P I can tell you now that the alpha tests are way wrong I mean look back to the alpha tests of battle field 3…. they were saying you need a GTX 670 or a 580 and so forth just to run it properly… but the 660TI runs battle field 3 ultra 1080P at 120fps average just saying man.

          • Taragoepie

            @k3yb0arD:disqus Wow… I’m getting 70-80 fps on ultra @ 1920×1200… seems your 660ti is better than my GTX 680!

          • TREY

            1 I’m running 1080P not 1200P there are 120 more pixels in 1200P meaning it requires a little more try running 1080P resolution see what you get with no AA & no AF & no MotionBlur see what you get, Btw I need to know what CPU you are using you might be possibly bottle necking but I promise you I was getting 120fps average on ultra settings at 1080P no AA or AF or Motionblur & Ambient Occlusion on SSAO because I personally don’t see a huge increase with anything higher & you have to sacrifice a lot of performance for that bump.

          • TREY

            my 660ti ran the beta and runs the full game with absolutely no issues ultra settings at 60FPS no hiccups I recently upgraded to a GTX 770 because my 660TI crapped out on me :(

          • Richard

            No you don’t… I had the 660ti and never ever got 120 fps in ultra. I am lucky to hover above 50 with a i7 3820

          • Guest

            Yes I did run it at over 120FPS why? Because I don’t use crappy post processing or motion blur or anti aliasing & anti aliasing post or Anisotropic filtering & my resolution scale is only at 100% :-/ believe it or not that’s what I ran at 120FPS that was the average.

          • TREY

            I ran bf3 maxed out at 120FPS no AA or AF or motion blur :-/ everything else was as high as it could go don’t believe me? not my issue I told what I got.

          • TREY

            Yes I did run it at 120FPS! I don’t use AA or AF or Motionblur that’s how if you are only getting 50FPS then there is something wrong with your setup :-/ I ran mine with 16 gigs of 1866 ram & a I7 2600K

    • Dave

      My nephew just bought the latest £329 (which is around $450 for US friends) laptop to help with his school work. He downloaded some games on it and the graphics are terrible, the 3D graphics are as bad as a smartphone or iPad mobile game, and not even close to his current gen Xbox360 games. OK, so this was a laptop, but no £350 PC is going to come even close to the graphical power and grunt that the £350 PS4 will have, and something has been repeatedly stated here, what was seen was an early build of BF4 which has not been optimised for PS4. In comparison to PCs, the PS4 is an absolute bargain.

      • Dakan45

        Cheap ass laptops are not made for gaming.

        Ps4 has a good price but its not a powerfull system.

        What games he played? Most games on consoles run at low-medium pc settings.

        • Dave

          Oh, here we go, the “PC Master Race” gamers have joined the forum. If you want to all the huge expense and hassle of PC gaming, go ahead, but next gen PS4 console gaming will have 75% of the graphics (when fullt optimised), 110% of the fun, 0% of the hassle, and 25% of the expense in comparison to high end PC gaming.

          The $400 PS4 is an infinitely better value proposition than any sort of PC gaming, and the number of “PC Master Race” gamers that buy $2000 PCs and spend $500 every year upgrading parts are tiny in comparison to the 150 million core console (PS3/X360) gamers out there.

          • Dan22

            And I predict the majority of the 150 million core console gamers will upgrade from PS3/X360 to next gen PS4/X1 over the next few years. They will spend $400 -$500 for the next gen consoles (with the majority going for the PS4 at the moment), not $2000 to join the tiny minority of “PC Master Race” gamers.

          • Dakan45

            You dont need $2000 you complete moron.

            If you have a pc from 5 years ago you can enjoy graphics than consoles cannot.

            If you upgrade that pc with 400$ you are ready for next gen.

            Also backwards compability.

            Consoletard race is ignorant and completly clueless of pc hardware. Sad, continue playing games on medium and low settings while a midrange pc can play on high.

          • Dan22

            You are talking out of your arse because you have not even seen what the next generation of games on PS4/X1 looks like, willing to bet that exclusive games on a $400 PS4 will beat any game on a generic $400 gaming PC (with the horrible memory eating Windows OS and drivers stuck on top of it).

          • Dakan45

            “because you have not even seen what the next generation of games on PS4/X1 looks like,”

            No what i have seen is high end pcs running games in E3 instead of those “consoles” Even on the ps4 reveal, watchdogs was running on pc.

            If next gen consoles cant run bf4 and unreal engine demo properly, why you think they will in the future?

            “will beat any game on a generic $400 gaming PC”

            A 400$ gaming pc does not exist. it is possible to build one, but why build when you can upgrade your old one and have a mid-high end pc depedning how much money you put into it. WITH BACKWARDS COMPABILITY.

            Ofcourse if a game is made for one premade locked out box will be optimized better. Everything will be executed to the nanosecond by streaming resources and hiding the loading screens behind scripted events such as doors jamming and having to wait to open them.

            But thats not more “powerfull” Pcs have never been optimized due to diffirnet console hardware. Now that consoles use weak 8 core cpus, every game will HAVE to utilize 8 core pc cpus. So no they wont beat high end pcs simply because they lack raw power.

            Pcs are not locked out boxes, they are PCS, therefore they are not sold at a loss in order to sell high numbers like consoles do. The ps4 doesnt cost 400$ you pay less that it costs and due to high sales its gonna make its costs back.

            “with the horrible memory eating Windows OS and drivers stuck on top of it)”

            Right its not like ps4 and xbox one will reserve 3.5gb for OS, nope thats not it at al. You really think that share, browser and other functions run on magic? No they dont.

            Consoles can hype and under deliever and you fools beleive it. But the cpu on both of them is a crappy 1.6ghz cpu with THREADED 8 cores. Even a powerfull quad core has more power.

            Why you think that THIS TIME consoles are gonna be powerhorses when everything points the othe way is beyond me.

            Nvidia is praising pc revenue saying its higher than consoles, you would think if pc gamer was such a tiny fraction, they would be out of business, but they turned down sony when asked to make next gen consoles saying it didnt worth the price. Now i know why, because amd was doing badly and they are good at making cheap affordable systems, Now you are seeing next gen consoles for what they are, midrange pcs with crappy cpus like nvidia said. Enjoy running bf4 on medium with 720p and somehow expecting that by the passing of time you will get 1080p and high-ultra graphics.

          • dan22

            Dakan45, you’ve just lost the argument, you’ve admitted that the performance of a $400 PC will be far worse than that of a $400 PS4, thereby for the price, the PS4 is far superior to the PC. Willing to bet that you will have to spend upwards of $1000 on PC to match the optimised performance of the PS4, especially when the best console devs (like Guerilla Games, Naughty Dog, etc…) have fully optimised the software tools on the technical consistency of console hardware.

          • Dakan45

            Hey retard, do you build a 400$ pc just to play games? NO, pcs are not consoles, they are not sold at a loss and rely on high sales to cover up their costs.

            ” thereby for the price, the PS4 is far superior to the PC.”

            Are you retarded? You can UPGRADE your pc to beat the ps4.
            If you dont have a pc and you want to build one just to play games, yes you gonna have to pay up, why do you think you MUST buy a pc that will cost 400? Dont asnwer that i know, because you are a consoletard who thinks it has to be a premade locked out box.

            “you will have to spend upwards of $1000 on PC to match the optimised
            performance of the PS4, especially when the best console devs (like
            Guerilla Games, Naughty Dog, etc…) have fully optimised the software
            tools on the technical consistency of console hardware.”

            Yup you are clearly retarded.

            Naughty dog and guirella are NOT the best developers and no optimization wont do a thing. Sorry to tell you this but crytek, dice, cdprojekt are all superior than those 2, but i forgot you play games on crappy graphics on a cheap ass 7 year old console and you expect that games will get better graphics over time and have no idea that next gen is basicly what pcs have been for a while now.

            So please drop it, you have no idea what you are talking about, the only thing you know is “ps4 da power of GDDR5 beats pcs”

          • Slasher716

            Ummmm… I haven’t seen PC do anything remotely as great as Infamous: Second Son on PS4. Just saying, the rest of your so called “facts” and knowledge is pretty non sense fanboy talk or just plain irrelvent and untrue. I’d rather hear what John Carmack has to say on the 2 next-gen consoles…

            OH WAIT! lol He praised them for being great. And that’s sayign something because John is a programmer/dev and knows what he’s talking about. You’re just a useless and worthless fanboy who hasn’t done any developing/programming and who has very little knowledge about anything pertaining to the subject on PC vs Console. Better luck next time! :D

          • Dakan45

            Guess wht? infamous second son is how pretty much console games look on pc.

            John carmack said that the standard wil be 1080p and 30 fps and that ps4 and xbox oen are identical.

            Now thats nonsense fanboy crap.

            John Carmack did such a great work with rage NOT.

            Listen morn has anyone actually bashed xbox one? No becasue you dont bash something you work with. However sony bashed xbox one and nvidia bashed both becasue they work on NEITHER.

            “You’re just a useless and worthless fanboy who hasn’t done any
            developing/programming and who has very little knowledge about anything
            pertaining to the subject on PC vs Console. Better luck next time! :D”

            Really dipshit? I have been here since the early 90s, consoles are always weak and pc beats them. This so called “next gen” is a joke, weak crappy 1.6ghz cpu and one system has a low end card and the other a midrange card and both use 3.5gb for os.

            Also bf4 running on medium

            There you have it you poor twat, next gen consoles are gloryfied jokes.

            Enjoy their worthlessness.

          • Dakan45

            “but next gen PS4 console gaming will have 75% of the graphics (when
            fullt optimised), 110% of the fun, 0% of the hassle, and 25% of the
            expense in comparison to high end PC gaming.

            What?

            Stop pulling crap out of your ass.

            What hussle? Consoles have hassle too with patches and dlcs

            “gamers that buy $2000 PCs and spend $500 every year upgrading parts are
            tiny in comparison to the 150 million core console (PS3/X360) gamers out
            there.”

            Where did that came from? You dont need nor to upgrade every year not a 2000$ pc, how about screwing your head back straight and stop listenign to the GARBAGE missconceptions you consoletards have about pc.

          • Razma

            dave, get off your high horse, we’re not all like that. in fact I own all the consoles and a gaming PC, cause I can afford it cause I have a job. first off, you can build a gaming computer for the same price as the new consoles easy. second, if you’re willing to spend a little extra, you can blow the new consoles away in performance. also let me ask you, how many free games have you played on your console? I seem to recall several thousand that are available for PC. also what’s this I hear about having to pay for online gaming yearly? also PC tends to get games for heavily discounted prices. so if you look at the long run, the prices practically come out identically.

            also if you’re complaining about hassle, just give Steam a try and see if that changes your mind. in fact it’s probably easier than playing on a console. i can order a game and be playing it in less than an hour, and all i have to do is click play.

            this isnt aimed directly at you, but more of a generalization of people like you who spread misinformation and steer people away who might be interesting in a gaming PC. like I said, I own all the consoles, and theyre fun from time to time, but theyre nothing compared to my PC, I prefer it hands down

          • Dave

            Razma, I’m 35 and also have a job, in fact a good management job (I earn around £80K) and I have been an avid gamer since the age of 5. I have owned Commodore 64s, Atari STs, gaming PCs and lot of consoles over the years, and yes I could spend a lot more money with PC gaming to have more graphics, but I prefer console gaming the most because it is the most accessible, hassle free, you get all the best games and exclusives, you get good performance, prefer controllers over keyboard and mouse, there is a massive online community, all the software is built and optimised around one platform designed for gaming and all of it comes at a REASONABLE COST.

            For all these reasons, dedicated games consoles will always be the most successful gaming platforms, this is proven by the fact that the revenues from console games far exceed PC game revenues, and the PS4 is going to be a monster hit (record breaking pre-orders already) because it has hit that perfect sweet spot of price and performance.

            The PS3/X360 hardware is 7 years old and this generation has lasted far too long, so that is why PC games technically look much better now, but the next generation PS4 is going close that gap considerably. We don’t know how the final versions of next gen games will look until they are optimised and finally released.

          • Razma

            that is a much more commendable response and i agree that you are allowed to have your opinion and preferences. I too enjoy consoles as well and will probably pick up one of the new systems eventually. the only part of your comment I have to disagree with is the profit of PC gaming. PC gaming profit actually surpassed the profit of both the xbox360 and ps3 recently. here’s a posting from EA of their recent fiscal profits (http://techreport.com/news/25136/ea-financials-show-growing-pc-game-revenue)

            sorry if I came off as harsh, I just get irked by people who claim all PC gamers are elitists and that it’s some unrealistic goal that only the supreme beings of society can join. PC gaming is just as affordable as console gaming and has a massive and friendly community (depending on the game). just check out the mod community for skyrim

          • Dakan45

            PC REVENUE HIGHER THAN THE CONSOLES

            http://techreport.com/news/25136/ea-financials-show-growing-pc-game-revenue

            http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/551597-nvidia-says-gta-5-coming-to-pc-revenue-more-than-playstation-and-xbox-combined-ps4-xbox-one

            Also most games run on low pc settings on 7 year old consoels, weak consoles are weak consoles, you only gonna get a midrange experiance.

            Pc actually has varied unique games, so the “Best exlusives” is objective not a “fact”. Finally the multiplayer community on pc exists many years after the release while on consoles everyone moves to the newer games. Can you play games from ps2 and the first xbox online? Nope, you can on pc, can you play cod4 and bc1 on consoles? Nope you wont find anyone playing.

            You talk about perfomance and optimization but you just running the game in singificantly lower settings, WAKE UP thats why bf4 is on medium due to “optimization” you are given a BARELLY 60 fps 1280x720p on medium settings locked out version and you cant do a damn thing about it. On pc you can just use better hardware IF you want and get better experiance.Whats that? Dont care about graphics? Lower them and have high fps its more “optimized” Or go full on graphics focus.

          • Dave

            We are at end of the generation with PS3/Xbox360, of course revenues are way down, but still higher combined than PC, but look at pre-order numbers for PS4/X1 and associated games this Christmas, they are mind blowing. Console gaming was dominant from 2009 to 2012, expect that dominance to return with this next gen. Why, because a console it is dedicated gaming device with the SWEET SPOT OF PRICE AND PERFORMANCE, something PC will never match.

            Also, expect GTAV sales on PS3/X360 to be largest in recent years.

            What PC has to worry about are Apple and Android mobile and tablet devices that will soon do everything better than a PC can, with the added advantage that it does not have horrible Windows OS on them.

          • Dakan45

            What godamn part of pc having higher revenue did you miss?

            Why you think console is dominant? Console has been constantly losing sales and pc is growing through indie.

            “Look at pre-order numbers for PS4/X1 and associated games this Christmas, they are mind blowing”

            They are CRAP not mindblowing at all. Most gone to ps4 due to xbox one treating people like trash and all games are pretty much current gen games with better graphics. Oh look killzone shadowfall has pc quality graphics but plays like a typical consolet shooter with streaming corridors. How “next gen” of you.

            Also most games going Always online drm crap and disquise it behind social features and multiplayer like titanfall destiny and division.

            Console gaming exploded becasue they dumbed down games in 2006, however now the budgets are so high that they have to make 5 milion sales in order to survive, so games play alike in order to appeal to more people, on top of that they focus more on story and graphics and voice acting than the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY. They are essentially killing gaming to be interactive movies. SURE they gonna get some sales for graphics but thats gonna pass.

            “because a console it is dedicated gaming device with the SWEET SPOT OF PRICE AND PERFORMANCE, something PC will never match.”

            Really? DEDICATED TO GAMING? You could have fooled me with all the social features and xbox letting you watch tv on your tv and movie streaming crap. Consoles have become less about gaming and more about interactive entairtaiment.

            “swet spot prife and perfomance”

            What sweet spot? Paying a low price for a locked out crappy system? It seems you dont reallize this but consoles NEVER were on par with pc, when oblivon came out on the brand new x360, it had better graphics on pc, this “next gen” wont be any diffirent.

            “something PC will never match.”"

            It has matched that years ago, you can play games at whatever perfomance/visual combo you want, no one says you have to play with the best graphics you can use an old pc and play games at high or medium settings. The whole 2000$ pcs and upgrade every year are missconceptions and lies console manufactures use, like claiming ps4 can run waframe without needing a high end pc, but if you actually stopped being a sheep and checked it yourself, you would see that the requirments are from 2006. Its just that consoles are so damn weak that they cant take waframe on 1080p with 60fps.

            “Also, expect GTAV sales on PS3/X360 to be largest in recent years.”

            Considering there are over 150 million ps3/x360 outhere, why woudlnt they be? Infact that is the reason they dont anoucne a ps4/xbox one version and dont talk about pc version till after the console version is out. They want to maximize sales because they get paid extra for reaching high sale goals. GTAV wil need atleast 8-10 million sales to break even its insane high development costs. Its just insane.

            “What PC has to worry about are Apple and Android mobile and tablet
            devices that will soon do everything better than a PC can, with the
            added advantage that it does not have horrible Windows OS on them.

            What is this load of trash you spewing? Apple is GARBAGE and tablets are not made for anything serious or taxing.

            Windows has directx, Macs are CRAP, they are far more expensive than pcs, they are weaker and run few games even worse. Infact most mac users just dualboot on windows in order to play games. Dont compare tablets even for a second to pcs, its like saying tablets beat consoles which is retarded.

            Windows is not a horrible Os, Win7 is the most stable OS ever designed and unliked linux it can actually play games without have to use wine and sandbox ports. Dont worry you will see when consoles will use 3gb of ram for their OS alone that you are talking nonsense.

          • Dave

            Hey retard, if you read the report properly, you will see PS3 and X360 sales combined are still nearly double that of PC, and that is when console game sales have slowed to a very low level because we are at the end of a console generation.

            The PS4 has over a million pre-orders and Sony has had to stop pre-orders because they cannot manufacture PS4s quick enough, but interest and demand for the PS4 is many times that. For the mainstream gamer, the price point of these next gen consoles and performance they offer is just too good to miss, expect them to sell many millions of next gen consoles this Christmas, along with the XboxOne. Next gen consoles are going to make more money than previous console generations.

            PC gaming will always stay a niche little group of “PC Master Race” gamers who love spending $400 on the latest graphics cards and tearing up their PC every year with the latest parts.

          • Dakan45

            Hey faggot, what part of pc revenue is higher did you miss you complete waste of sperm?

            The preorers are high just like ps2 preorders were high because xbox shot themselfs in the foot.

            Pc will is proudly dying since the 80s, guess what? Not only its still here but it keeps on expading.

            A 400$ card is not necessary, but you are the retard who thinks pc gaming NEEDS a 400$ card.

            Therefore stop replying, you are wrong, admit it and STFU already.

            Pathetic troll.

          • Andreas Sunde

            No. As long as there is innovation in the computer market, tablets won’t stand a chance when it comes to advanced work. Recording music, animating movies, gaming, programming etc. require powerful machines.
            But for the average consumer, a tablet does everything their PC does, so they’re better off with that.

            Windows will probably die soon, though, with Steam OS for gaming, and OSX for everything else.

          • TREY

            Proof lyes right here there is no ” performance and stability!” for consoles FACE IT lol

            Now what was that about stable??? what was that about Performance???? that’s right have a seat :)

          • Slasher716

            Wait…. “PC REVENUE HIGHER THAN THE CONSOLES”???

            We all know that’s a false statement lol There is more likely to be 2 Xbox 360′s or PS3′s in every home than a gaming PC and we all know that 3DS and Wii outnumbers PC 5 to 1 in every household. The link you provided is false statistics, I am just clearing up the facts.

            I hate when PC fanboys act like they have to defend the dying gaming PC.

            Uncharted 3 runs at a much lower resolution than most PC games and at only 30fps (yes it is locked -regaurdless of what PC fanboys say about the frame rate not being stable, it IS a stable framerate lol too bad) but point is… Uncharted 3 on PS3 still looks better than most PC games.

            PC doesn’t have any unique games lol That’s silly, MMO’s are too similar and RTS have become a boring dying breed. Crysis 3 is a great example of where PC gaming can go but people have heard so much about it that’s become an annoyance throughout the industry.

            About performance, PC is far less stable than gaming consoles and that’s what I like. You may not be able to customize AA, graphics, resolution, ect but this also means more stability. No matter how good of a system you have, there will always be stability options on PC due to crappy OS bloating and hogwashin the ram to background apps. Again, just stating the facts.

            If PC gaming was as good as you fanboys suggest, there wouldn’t be any need for consoles lol Consoles will always dominate the market when it comes to PC vs Consoles. How can you not know this?

            Consoles = Better games, performance and stability! :)

          • Dakan45

            ITS A FACT how its a flase statement? THE GODAMN ARTICLE states this you consoletard twat.

            “I hate when PC fanboys act like they have to defend the dying gaming PC.’

            BUHAHAHAHHAHHAHA

            PC gamign is more alive than ever, there are more games on pc and more money are made on pc than on consoles, but you console retards have to dispute that. Pc is proudly dying since the 80s, WAKE THE HELL UP, pc is not going anywhere, consoles on the other hand will be gone in 2 generations.

            NO YOU WASTE OF SPERM, uncharted and the last of us are UNIMPRESSIVE.

            You do reallize that crysis 3 and metro last light run on lower than the lowest pc settings on crapboxes? That being said on pc even tomb raider beats your pathetic ps3 overhyped exlusives YOU ARE PLAYING AT DATED GRAPHICS.. REALLIZE THIS YOU IGNORANT MORON.”

            “PC doesn’t have any unique games”

            Really? So antichamber and magrunner are not unique games? So minecraft is not a unique game? So “papers please” is not a unique game. WAKE THE HELL UP YOU RETARDED SHEEP, these games are unique your GARBAGE boxes will never have games like this.

            “About performance, PC is far less stable than gaming consoles and that’s
            what I like. You may not be able to customize AA, graphics, resolution,
            ect but this also means more stability. No matter how good of a system
            you have, there will always be stability options on PC due to crappy OS
            bloating and hogwashin the ram to background apps. Again, just stating
            the facts.

            BUHAHAHAH YOU ARE A RETARD

            Consoles go under 30 fps all the time, games ALSO feeze and stutter and crappy os? What crappy os WIN7 is a beast and using alot of ram? GUESS WHAT? SO DO NEXT GEN CONSOLES YOU COMPLETE RETARD.

            Just stating the facts but you sad consoletards are oblivious to them.

            “If PC gaming was as good as you fanboys suggest, there wouldn’t be any need for consoles”

            Wtf is this clueless statement evne suposse to mean?

            So because you are a RETARD and cant play games on pc, you are better off with a locked out trashbox? Makes sense. Let me remind you thats how Apple makes money, by selling iphones and crappy pcs to MORONS who dont have the intelligence to use REAL phones and pcs.

            Conosles= SAMEY AAA interactive movie shooters that cost 100 million to make and CRAP perfomance and instability.

            FACT, deal with it retard.

          • Richard

            Calm down before you blow an artery. :)

          • Dakan45

            suck my dick before you blow your load in your mothers pussy.

          • Dakan45

            Hey faggot

            http://n4g.com/user/comments/slasher716/all/1

            You got 10 pages of comments on n4g and ALL OF THEM are marked as trolling or spam.

            So go troll elsewhere kiddo.

          • TREY

            Proof lies right here there is no ” performance and stability!” for consoles FACE IT lol

            Now what was that about stable??? what was that about Performance???? that’s right have a seat :)

          • TREY

            1 “hassle free” PC’s are as easy as putting together lego’s you claim to know about PC’s yet you still think they are a hassle? stop living in the 90′s bro!.

            2 “the revenues from console games far exceed PC game revenues” I am going to refer you to Diablo 3 sold 1 million copies within the first 24 hours of preorders being announced when has console gaming done that? oh yea never!

            Activision Blizzard brought in $1.768 billion dollars in net revenue in 1 year due to diablo 3′s sales!.

            3 BattleField 4
            Minimum Requirements

            OS: Windows Vista SP2 32-bit (with KB971512 platform update)

            Processor: AMD Athlon X2 2.8 GHZ, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHZ

            Memory: 4GB

            Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 3870, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT

            Graphics Memory: 512 MB

            Hard Drive: 30 GB

            OH YEA! 7 year old hardware still playing games just fine to this day :)!!!!!!!!!! :O!!!! and 7 year old hardware is still the mainstream lookie there play with the minimum system requirements and you’ll have the graphics the ps3 & 360 have if not a smidge better thus proving you don’t know jack shit!

            4

            PS4 GPU Peak GPU Shader Throughput
            1.84 TeraFLOPS/s

            AMD Radeon HD 7790 Graphics OC Edition

            1000MHz Engine Clock

            1GB GDDR5 Memory

            1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)

            96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)

            1.87 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power

            GCN Architecture

            14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)

            See what I’m saying????? the Radeon HD 7790 is not high end you can
            not compare this to a GTX 660TI or a GTX 560TI PS4 is not a ” incredible
            value” as you claim is a low end PC system the 660TI is considered mid range PC.

          • Dakan45

            I have said those thingsa 100 times, how pc has better deals, how pc has horror games and indie varied experiances you dont get on consoles. How pc is not expensive and you dont have to update all the time, but i hear the same ingorant crap.

            Pc is dead, you got to upgrade all the time, driver issues, viruses, etc etc, just ignorance. So i gave up.

          • M.Lawrence

            Oh wow..PC has horror games and indie games? So do consoles lol..dude why are you being a PC fanboy? ANy real gamer that respects gaming and has a true love for gaming do not talk like you do..and same goes for the stupid console fanboys in here as well!! Get a grip people! Grow up!!

          • Dakan45

            No conosles do not have horror and ingie games.

            They got a few but thats about it.

            There is no true love of gaming with these consoletards around.

            You got to reallize that the “console gamers”: of today are dubebros with now knowledge on pc and limited knowledge on gaming. They play game for a hobby as interactive movies, they do not compare with people who beat the hardcore old console games like tomb raider. Which BTW was dumbed down to “appeal to more people” and BARELLY hit its sale goals.

            Console gaming as it is today is trash, its ruining gaming. Take a look at next gen, too much focus on social features rather games.

          • shadow_walkerOZ

            “first off, you can build a gaming computer for the same price as the new consoles easy”

            I’m sorry but, what? What the hell kinda shitty, useless CPU and video card do you think you will be able to get into a $400 PC that will run games without them looking and playing like crap? That’s if it runs them at all.
            PC gamers always say this same thing but I would love to see them try and do it and actually get decent performance out of it. At least to the standard that either the PS4 or Xbox One will have with their games.
            And for the record, I game on PC and consoles. I just really hate fanboys (yes, I consider the “PC Master race” types to be fanboys).

          • TREY

            CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($114.99)

            Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($58.98)

            Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 CAS 10 1.5V ($57.99)

            Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5″ 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX US)

            Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Case ($40.04 @ NCIX US)

            Power Supply: Cooler Master GX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99)

            Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99)
            Total: $396.95

            CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor $129.99

            Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ $106.98

            Memory: Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 $49.98

            Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5″ 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.99

            Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5″ Solid State Disk $104.99

            Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card $219.99

            Case: NZXT Tempest 410 ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99

            Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $79.99

            Total: $841.90

            CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $81.99

            Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard $61.97

            Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $29.99

            Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5″ 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99

            Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card $214.98
            Case: Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case $31.62

            Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $53.99

            Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer $15.99Total: $545.52

            Hows this for expensive? 2 out of 4 of these builds will do 1080P with ZERO problems and look better then next generation of consoles & it will have better performance & more raw power behind it! think before you speak idiot.

          • Bob

            Goes back to Steam sale and purchases Borderlands 2 for £2.50.

      • Razma

        most laptops come with integrated graphics cards. those are SHIT compared to dedicated graphics cards. You cannot compare an integrated card to a gaming computer. That’s like comparing a calculator to a smart phone. I have a Lenovo Y500, and it has dual dedicated graphics cards (2 gtx650M’s), 12 gigs of ram, a current gen i7, 15.6in 1080p screen, and only cost $1000. Look at something like a macbook and you’re spending practically double that for 1/4 the performance. cant beat that price.

        also, laptops are generally much more expensive compared to desktop PC’s when they have comparable performance, that’s the price you pay for minimization and compactness.

      • RockandGrohl

        The laptop also comes with a monitor and speakers too. Use your brain, peasant.

      • Adam

        Laptop comes with monitor and speakers, and obviously laptops are much worse than desktop PCs which is common knowledge. Come on now son.

    • Dakan45

      Make it 3-4 years and its STILL optional, mine is 5 years old, Just now it needs an update and it runs games on high while consoels run them on low.

      • traind

        you’re making this up. The new console software looks fantastic and will be superior to any 5 year old pc unless you now buy a $400 gpu as an update. Even then, your 5 year old cpu may still be holding you back a bit. . If you update with a $200 gpu you’ll be close to the new consoles but will be underperforming a bit.

        • Dakan45

          No actually if i buy a 200 card ill be on par with next gen for 2 years with a 400 card i will be superior.

          Consoles dont magically get better graphics, they just lower quality in various things as year pass. Right now almost all games on consoles run on low pc settings.

          This “next gen” is nothing more than a midrange pc that pc gamers had for years.

    • Mini

      exactly. THat’s what i do. Or else i would be broke. LOL

    • weed

      Exactly I just upgrade CPU, MOBO, Ram for under 300 lol.

    • OrehRatiug

      I don’t have a PC that could be upgraded (laptop, I can upgrade the ram though), so it would cost 800$ to get the same results. I would then have to upgrade every 2 years by 200-300$. One console purchase is 400$ total unless something terrible happens. If all I want are games, and not needing them to be at ‘Ultra’ High settings, then a console is more cost effective. I just don’t get where people see this otherwise. If I used a PC for graphic design or video editing then yeah it would be cost effective, but I just browse the internet and use word docs.

    • justerthought

      Your advice does not suit everybody. I prefer using a Mac for my general purpose computing because it has a superior OS eco system, so I have no PC for gaming. It would be a very expensive waste of money to purchase a gaming PC from scratch when I can just pick up a PS4 for £350. The PS4 will supply graphics that are very close to a top end PC. The top end PC will always look better but the difference is not that great now.

      The gap use to be huge when comparing PS1 and PS2 to PC, they looked like different games, but PS3 and especially PS4 are so close now its a case of diminishing returns. You reach a point where you say I’m happy with that because I will have to spend a hell of a lot more just to get slightly better.

  • spideynut71

    DICE is backtracking like crazy on next-gen lately. It wasn’t that long ago that they were saying the PS4/X1 versions would be nearly identical.

    • traind

      they will. And they will look like the vast majority of nice gaming pcs too. Just not quite as good as pc’s that cost $1500 plus with modern cpus and $500 GPUs

      • spideynut71

        No…you don’t understand. The PS4 and X1 are EXPONENTIALLY more powerful than the PS3 and 360….and those consoles stacked up very well vs. PC versions of Crysis 2/3 and BF2/3. In fact, it would be pretty accurate to say that they looked on par with…wait for it……..“Medium settings on PCs”.

        This is nothing more than lip service for the PC fanboys that made DICE relevant in the industry, and an alarming indicator that they aren’t working to push next-gen hardware. What this dev is essentially saying…without actually saying it…is that the PS4/X1 versions will be slightly polished ports of the PS3/360 versions.

        • Thomas

          DICE are not that stupid, they will polish the PS4/X1 versions like mad right up until launch, and maybe even after with patches. Remember, the previous console versions of BF3 sold around 20 million units combined on PS3/X360 (inc. digital), not to mention DLC and Premium sales, so they are not going to be stupid enough to piss off a set of loyal gamers that have made them $$billions$$ by releasing half baked ports on the next gen consoles. DICE, if you are listening, please do not let us next gen console gamers down, the PS4 has a huge engine under the hood, USE IT (otherwise Naughty Dog will show you how)!

          • Dakan45

            “he PS4 has a huge engine under the”

            Nope, weak crappy cpu and midrange gpu and the last of us looks like a medioce game by pc standards, tomb riader or remember me beat it graphicsally ON PC.

            Consoles just run games on low settings at this point.

        • Dakan45

          Bf3 on consoles= low pc settings.

          -Dice.

          Crysis 3 and metro last light look better than the console version even on the lowest settings.

      • Dakan45

        Id say 1200$. Which is only 400$ cost if you upgrade an old pc.

    • Jeffrey

      It’s because of EA, they were talking all kinds of shit about the next gen consoles while DICE was all like “WTF ARE YOU DOING!? DON’T SAY THAT!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wesley-Fick/184346154999538 Wesley Fick

      They have to. They are worried that EA will say too much dumb stuff about the next-gen. Which, like Microsoft, they already are.

  • alchemistx24x7

    I for one dont care bout graphics, if its running 60fps and the game play is stellar i dont care if looks like an ps2 or og xbox so long the gameplay is tight…And i’m sure it will be on Xbox One and ps4.

  • Matt

    Sounds reasonable… it’s about in line with what a 7850 is capable of.

    • Dakan45

      But ps4 optimization and da power of GDDR5 and weak crappy 1.6ghz 8 core cpu? Also being able to run planetside 2 without a 4000$ pc and bringing “hign end pc graphics” to ps4 with warframe.

      But, but ps4 is a high end pc.

      But but…. wellcome to next gen of overyhped trashboxes.

    • TREY

      NOPE! READ THIS :)

      PS4 Specs
      8 core AMD JAGUAR CPU @ 1.8ghz possibly higher
      API OpenGL 4.4 or 4.5
      GPU contains a unified array of 18 compute units, which collectively generate 1.84 Teraflops of processing power
      8 Gigs of GDDR5 (UMA) ram

      AMD Radeon HD 7790 GPU OC Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
      1000MHz Engine Clock
      1GB GDDR5 Memory
      1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)
      96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
      1.86 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
      GCN Architecture
      14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)
      56 Texture Units
      64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
      16 Color ROP Units
      128-bit memory interface
      PCI Express 3.0 16x
      DirectX® 11.1-capable graphics (note these two could be changed if the GPU was “custom made”)
      OpenGL 4.2 support

      XBOX ONE Specs
      8 Core AMD custom CPU @ 1.6ghz possibly higher
      API DirectX 11.2
      8 Gigs of (UMA) ram possibly more
      GPU contains a unified array of 10 compute units, which collectively generate 1.28 Teraflops of processing power

      AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
      1000MHz Engine Clock
      Up to 2GB GDDR5 Memory
      1125MHz Memory Clock (4.5 Gbps GDDR5)
      72GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
      1.28 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
      GCN Architecture
      10 Compute Units (640 Stream Processors)
      40 Texture Units
      64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
      16 Color ROP Units
      128-bit memory interface
      PCI Express 3.0 x16

      Truth is :-/ it is not equal to a radeon HD 7850 You have been lied to.

  • TEST SUBJECT

    Medium is kinda low for next gen IMO.
    I could see high settings, and very high and ultra would be PC only, but IMO, medium is just to low.

    • WellWisher

      It’s an EA published game. The most dev time will be for the systems with the largest install bases. Sad but true.

  • WellWisher

    I’ve only ever played BF on PC. I can’t stand to play a shooter at anything less than 60fps in multiplayer.

  • Joel

    The Xbone version will be on low settings. I’m very disappointed in both Sony and MS for not shelling out the bucks for better GPUs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wesley-Fick/184346154999538 Wesley Fick

      Can you blame them, though? Sony needs more money, Microsoft just wants more money. Going with cheaper, less-expensive hardware allows them to reap the profits far sooner. I’m just glad Playstation is still alive and kicking.

  • Dakan45

    Weak consoles are weak consoles.

    You can twisit and turn it as you see fit but no matter how much sony hypes it.

    So yeah you wont be getting 1080p. you wont be getting 60 fps, infact it will be drop around 50-55 all the time and you are running on medium which is not “next gen”

    Current multiplats run on consoles on low pc settings.

    This “next gen” will be pretty much what midrange pcs have been gaming in.
    You can get 60 fps and amazing graphics and big maps, they will be compromises because “next gen” is weak.

    Welcome to “next gen” people, where games are limited by weak hardware.

  • Dakan45

    Ps if you think graphics will get better in the future….well no, thats not really true, what they gonna do is use tricks to save perfomance. Eg make games with little physics and small maps, or use umbra. When a system is weak, its weak it doesnt magically get more powerfull as the time passes.

    Look at crysis, full dynamic lighting, destructable buildings, trees that you can cut down in piecies, reallistic water, big maps.

    Then look at crysis 2-3, they took the engine apart and removed the most demanding graphical capabilities, they made the maps smaller and linear for streaming, removed physics and destruction. Crysis 3 on consoles runs on LOWER than the LOWEST possible pc settings. Yup i am serious. Consoles dont get more powerfull more time, the development gets smarter and pulls more tricks out of their sleeves. The “optimization that rivals high end pcs” is a lie.

    • Matt

      I had to think for a second because I haven’t play Crysis 1 in forever but it’s true. Crysis 1 on max settings still has more interactions and a more solid feel than most games do to date.

      • Dakan45

        If those physics and scripts could be done in 2007, why not now? Let me answer why, because uncharted and killzone 2 may have inferiror graphics but they can use bright colors or blur to cover up that and who needs bigs maps and physics when you can result into cover based corridors and streaming maps?

        I still remember half life 2 on xbox which was FAR MORE POWERFULL than the ps2, yet it looked like you were running the game on medium and it wasnt a “demanding” pc game back then.

        • TREY

          Wrong the console versions of half life 2 ran like dog shit & looked like dog shit! people like you really grind my gears!!

          • Dakan45

            NO what i said was that xbox was far more powerfull than ps2 and hl2 looks like it run half life 2 on medium.

            Now if you wanna go on “dogshit” go ahead, but i got enough hate from console fanboys when i told them that bf3 runs on low pc settings and crysis 3 run on lower than the lowest pc settings.

          • TREY

            Sorry for yelling at you then but I have news for you half life 2 ran lower then low settings on a PC.

          • Dakan45

            That bad? Crysis 3 and metro last light run lower than low on current consoles. But half life 2 run that bad on xbox?

            I have some crystal clear xbox footage, ill just do the comparison myself.

          • TREY

            Alright there is a possibility that I may be wrong :) I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong all I know is what I’ve seen & what I was told by developers of games that I know in person.

          • Dakan45

            You know valve, thats cool.

            Funny the consoletards think that they somehow get the SAME experiance on consoels with lower resolution and less fps. AS IF games look the same on consoles and pc.

          • TREY

            lol yup

  • kryteris

    congrats on the missleading yet eye catching title, sure that got you alot of annoyed hits.

  • Nate Brown

    If I recall correctly, BF3 on my Xbox360 looked like Low settings on my PC on a good day. For them to get the look comparable to Medium AND have 60 FPS is fine by me. Most of my friends play on consoles and most of us are getting PS4 so I’m looking forward to playing this game with 64 players proper, 60 fps, and running on the equivalent to Medium settings.

    Seriously, it’s like people think that Medium settings will be some horrible, painful, life ending experience. Let’s not forget that there will be a lot of people playing this game on Medium settings on PC as well. Will the game suddenly suck then? Doubt it.

    • Dakan45

      BF3 on consoles is confirmed by dice to be on low settings.

      Also max payne 3 on consoles is on low settings and crysis 3 and metro last light are running UNDER the lowest settings on consoles.
      Thats consoles for you, weak overhyped crapboxes.

  • Jin

    current gen 720p 30fps next gen 720p 60 fps. something is not right. “night and day” my ass and the fact of the matter is BF4 looks marginally better than BF3. Theres no excuse not to run the game 1080p on “medium” settings. my guess its xbone who is holding back PS4.

    • TREY

      read this.

      PS4 Specs
      8 core AMD JAGUAR CPU @ 1.8ghz possibly higher
      API OpenGL 4.4 or 4.5
      GPU contains a unified array of 18 compute units, which collectively generate 1.84 Teraflops of processing power
      8 Gigs of GDDR5 (UMA) ram

      AMD Radeon HD 7790 GPU OC Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
      1000MHz Engine Clock
      1GB GDDR5 Memory
      1500MHz Memory Clock (6.0 Gbps GDDR5)
      96GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
      1.86 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
      GCN Architecture
      14 Compute Units (896 Stream Processors)
      56 Texture Units
      64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
      16 Color ROP Units
      128-bit memory interface
      PCI Express 3.0 16x
      DirectX® 11.1-capable graphics (note these two could be changed if the GPU was “custom made”)
      OpenGL 4.2 support

      XBOX ONE Specs
      8 Core AMD custom CPU @ 1.6ghz possibly higher
      API DirectX 11.2
      8 Gigs of (UMA) ram possibly more
      GPU contains a unified array of 10 compute units, which collectively generate 1.28 Teraflops of processing power

      AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (Graphics Processing Unit)
      1000MHz Engine Clock
      Up to 2GB GDDR5 Memory
      1125MHz Memory Clock (4.5 Gbps GDDR5)
      72GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum)
      1.28 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power
      GCN Architecture
      10 Compute Units (640 Stream Processors)
      40 Texture Units
      64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
      16 Color ROP Units
      128-bit memory interface
      PCI Express 3.0 x16

      Truth is :-/ it is not equal to a radeon HD 7850 You have been lied to.

      AMD Accelerated Processing Unit

      Jaguar architecture (Kabini and Temash)

      In January 2013 the Jaguar-based Kabini and Temash APUs were unveiled as
      the successors of the Bobcat-based Ontario, Zacate and Hondo APUs.
      The Kabini APU is aimed at the low-power, subnotebook, netbook,
      ultra-thin and small form factor markets, the Temash APU is aimed at the
      tablet, ultra-low power and small form factor markets

      It is a TABLET/MOBILE CPU it can not compare to a I7 3770K or a I5
      3570K hell it can’t even compare to the cheap $120 AMD FX-4300 the
      Jaguar architecture is equal on the desktop side to a AMD A4-5300
      Trinity APU the Jaguar architecture is a supped up Trinity core
      thus meaning it is a crappy CPU.

  • BiddlyBongBong

    The fact that it’s already running 60FPS with the ‘true’ battlefield experience on ‘medium’ settings is very encouraging, and there is still time for extra optimization!

  • Jessenia Lopez

    i want the PS4 version, pc sucks

    • Holyfish

      maybe your PC sucks. Mine is quite good

    • Dakan45

      Enjoy the medium graphics and last gen 720p, now THAT sucks not pc. CONSOLES SUCK for being weak pieces of trash.

      • SaintJudas

        no one wants to aim with a mouse like a little pussy.

        • Dakan45

          Who wants to aim with a garbage thumbstick? Seriously dragging your thumb around with horrible controls and waiting for aim assist to kick in and drag the targeting crosshair on the enemy.

          So much skill there dipshit.

  • RockandGrohl

    “$2000 or $1000″ people like you that perpetrate this myth are really grinding my fucking gears. Get some fucking sense.

    Also yeah it’s amazing that a $400 console can play that. Plus the $50 every year for PSN+… plus the $20 extra that every game will cost. Want to buy BF4, Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed on PS4? That’s $110 more than you would have spent on PC, and you don’t get to play the games at the best image quality and with mods and with better online and with freedom to choose your preferred control input etc etc. See where I’m going with this? PC is initially more expensive. Yet over a small period of time, let’s say between BF4 and BF5, you have paid a hell of a lot less on a high-end gaming PC that out performs a console. Now GTFO.

  • Steve

    50€ mb

    100€ cpu (fx-6300)

    40€ ram

    50€ NT

    30€ Tower

    180€ 7870

    50€ Storage

    500€

    In 2 years i will change the grafik and sell the card for lets say 80€ and buy a new one for around 200€ . So i have to spend 130 € . but pc games cost around 45€ up to 60€ (top titels like bf4) and how much cost a console game ? So just take that you only buy 7 games per year and the difference is just 10€ with the money you save frombuying games cheaper on pc you can get update your Hardware and on the other hand get better grafik at the same pricelevel.

    The more Games you are buying over a year the better the pc looks like.

    Ok that math just work if you not an enthusiast and buying titan or i7 that have not the best pay per bug but thats not needed.
    At the End the new Consoles are the best the Pc that can happen because now the Hardware are really close like that of a pc and ports can get better and easier even on the pc.
    So if you get a Console its ok but dont blame someone who is willing to pay more to get better Grafik and if you look at my math its not really so much more i have to spend if you count in buying the Games cheaper.

    ________________________________________________
    So i will bring you an Example how to compare Console and PC in terms of
    money and why someone wants to buy that on pc if he is an enhtusiast.

    The Enzo Ferrarie cost around 500€
    The Bughatti cost around 1,5 Million €

    Enzo goes dont know 3,5 sec and 350 KMH max
    Bughatii 2,9 or somehting like that and 400kmh

    So for the Bugi you pay 3x times more but not geht even the douple
    performance but if you have the money it is worth to get him because its just better.

    Another one :

    Or a Biker that spend 4500-5000€ for his bike and
    you can drive also very good with an 300€ bike . But for him it is
    still worth buying so much more even if the effort in weight save is
    only around the half(not counting in better quality of other things like brakes ,damping etc) and not 10 times better like the price may suggest.

    PS.:Not good at english hope you understand the most :)

  • Taylor

    Im hoping BF4 on the PS4 will look the same as BF3 at max settings on PC. If DICE can do this ill be happy.

  • Arma dayz

    Facts are Amd jaguar 8 core (bobcat) is a ‘mobile’ processor about as powerful as a more modern 4 core (piledriver), graphics cpu on par with hd 7850/7870, pc has many more exclusives and a more mature community. These are just facts! I will probably own and enjoy all 3 eventually (when prices fall) like last gen so not a fanboy/troll of any platform.

  • AX3L GuildWars2

    But you can run it at max with a 600-700 bucks pc. Wtf are you smoking? You could probably run it on 720, mid settings with a fucking toaster.

  • Guest

    I don’t need to spend 2000$ for a new pc for just BF4. I only need a 300$ to pay it at ultra since the rest coponents are far superior than ps4 (i5+8gb ram, etc)

  • Javier Turok

    don’t need to spend 2000$ for a new pc for just BF4. I only need a 300$ gpu to play it at ultra since the rest components I have are far superior than ps4 (i5+8gb ram, etc)

  • Ev

    I would play on minimal settings with mouse and keyboard rather than super awesome next gen uber graphics with gamepad, so PC wins in both.

    • SaintJudas

      yeah…i know…you can’t aim…i get it.

      How big is the prize money for championship PC gamers these days for Modern Warfare? Do you guys get a cash prize of 200 bucks or a new nVidia video card?

      Oh…you wan’t Console PRIZE money? 400 K …big bills…the type you have to report to the IRS and gets the women with the fly women. Sorry…mouse clickin won’t get you there…never will.

      • exbagboy

        Just let us know when you win 400K. It’s like planning your retirement by waiting to win the lottery. Idiot!

      • Farid Saba Henry

        2.5m on TI3 Dota 2, around 1.5m for LoL, around 100k for a single player in SC2

        400k LOL

  • Russell Gorall

    The gameplay from PC’s that don’t exist short of tens of thousands of dollars get old.

  • thegameporter

    i hope bf4 will have a lower option for settings than bf3 so i can play it better @shittylaptop :D

  • zeondx

    What happens when nvidia brings a console to the table? Or if ms and sony make a console together? Wait that will never happen. Competition between ms and sony makes them both too much money to think about. Competition is only reason gaming is getting better. Console makers want to give good incentives to buy the next-gen, but boy did ms really screw the pooch with the anti-used drm policy, always online, always online camera not too mention, and last but least the xbox-one looks like some old vhs player from the 90′s. Not too mention the controllers bulkiness in both xbox one and ps4 seems to not be a good selling point. On the other hand, at least ms decided to actually give the players internal batteries for the controllers and built in wifi. Both features that were lacking in the xbox 360 phat. We all know ms likes to nickle and dime the gamers. Steam is good way to go for someone with a decent rig. Whats with all the hate on this comments page? Who cares if xbox one or ps4 are less than or greater than the pc. Vice versa. If you own all 3, then what does it matter. Both ms and sony have to turn a profit while releasing something decent enough that people will buy. It doesn’t matter what the specs are on either ps4 and xbox one, guess what there is plenty of developers on both sides. Why I even mention this? Well, does anyone think more than half the people who buy consoles check the specs. No, they expect the consoles to play the game when you insert the disc into the console. This is why those who like consoles will like consoles vs those who like more of personalized touch to how they play their games. Whether graphics or keyboard and mouse is that individuals personal taste or insert a disc to play with a controller or camera that is in the xbox one.

  • mariano guntin

    with 500 dollars you got your medium settings PC…. sorry but it isn’t any better being 400dollars system , it’s fine but still far from being as good as a PC.

  • MaroonBeret

    you’ll get a just fine pc with around 700 dollars, and better graphics, not to mention that you can also play with a mouse on pc

  • Roadrun

    Carebox for this PC vs. console fight. Its all a matter of what platform people prefere, and then telling all other that they choose wrong.

    But W.T.H. my GTX 780 and I7 4770k will kick any console’s ass in preformance many years from now, but still think i might get a PS4 given it just has better social possibility’s, and funnyer to play with a few friends and a few beers. Where my PC just blows my mind with the visual possibilitys, and realistic Worlds it let me explore.
    Just stating my opinion

  • sammyhale30

    hmm I only need to get an upgrade graphics card for $150 for my PC and I`ll be able to run on high settings maybe even ultra. Don`t see the point anymore in getting the PS4 or Xbox One. + online play on PC is free anyway! :)

  • sammyhale30

    Most PC’s people own now probably have a higher clocked multi core CPU than PS4 or Xbox one. The Jaguar core is only rated at 1.6GHZ from what I`ve read. It’s common technology now in the PC world and nothing special. Look at the 8 core bulldozer cpu, you can buy one running at 4.2GHZ for peanuts.

    The consoles haven`t been released yet and already PC hardware is ahead.

  • sammyhale30

    I had the PS3 and I currently have the Xbox 360, both great consoles because they are reasonably affordable. But looking at the rip off price they want us to pay for these average spec consoles + on top of it a stupid subscription(as if Microsoft hadn`t enough revenue already). I’ve finally decided I`m sticking with the PC and upgrading it. PC ftw everytime.

  • leandro b

    400 dollars PC for medium 900p is pretty easy

  • Truaaaa

    As someone that plays BF4 Maxed out, I can tell you the medium graphics on PS4 is just a plain lie.

  • DiscGolfer947

    a $1000 dollar PC to play BF4 on medium settings 1080p LOL. I spent 1000 on my computer 7 months ago, it would be about 750-800 now, and I’m playing on high at 1080p and barely ever drop below 60. I built my friend a $600 PC a couple months ago and he can play it at 1080p on medium settings and it’s as smooth as butter.

  • hobb

    i know this is 5 months to late… ps4/X1 has one hardware. pc has 100+++. easier to optimize one type of hardware than 100++ types of hardware… u get what im saying????

    one more thing! consoles will never and has never been better then pc!!

    and sorry for my crappy english,.

  • hobb

    nvidia graphic card released in 2007 playing todays games:D just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEcyI_XP2c

  • XboxPS

    Battlefield 4 on PS4-High settings.